One of the leaders of “ National Forum” Kakha Shartava visited the press club of Caucasus Internet Media last week. During the asking-response regime of the meeting, questions of journalists principally referred to changes of election themes, to future plans of “National Forum” and to creation of a new party”.  

While working on election themes, you said that if the authority did not take your requirements into account, you would hold a warning meeting. What warnings are you going to present to the power? What are you getting ready for?
- If the tendency was expressed about the possibility of forming the process in the last period, for which all mechanisms were in action ( signatures, consultations, statements, addresses, involvement of international organizations etc), and support and consent of those people whose signatures entered the Parliament would be needed as an additional mechanism, I would offer the parties who supported to begin the process to arrange joint only meeting that will prove that it is a public meeting and the power should bear it in mind. 

However, I can not see the point of the meeting, resulting from the fact that this process does not happen at all and there is no point in gathering people in vain in order to be counted by anybody due to unrealized process.

What do you intend then? 
- I will talk about it in the nearest future. We must wait for the moment if discharge from the process happens, but we can not wait for it long and in case of absence of response, a statement will be made about by what strategy “National Forum” continues fighting. This will be an address to the society and it will decide what reaction would be made on our next steps.

On the self governing elections we saw a new scheme, which was not called even the falsification –massive mobilization of authority supporters, even with threat; making the police depoliticized, independence of the court and etc nowadays, all these problems really exist, hence, how do you intend to confront with all things by changes of election themes? 
– It is possible that solving all these problems should mean fight for many years, but immediate solution means to bring the regime away from the power. Though, in the same terms, into the same system, it is possible to make such mechanisms that we offered to the power.  

For example, when is it easy for the elector to have a belief toward the election: when he knows that the votes will be controlled or when he knows that the votes stay there where thy must be stayed and as a result the power would not be a ruling and controlling power. When a policeman knows that after fair elections his insurance power is lost, he would not be so active in the fight with population either. These are the mechanisms which give you a chance to destroy the system inside.

There is one more significant factor- the election surrounding changes then when political persons come on arena who are real winners of the elections. If you do not fight before the election and do not make success on the road, which provides your trust and support, you can not be a winning figure on the election day. The elections are won before the elections but the legitimating is made during the elections.  

This political process and struggle initiated by our 8 parties meant the fact that today’s figures who in any case can not boast for winning the elections in a just environment, must take active steps and be formed like such organizations for whom the fair elections are reasonable.  

Without the process we stand before the only rough task – to change this regime, though, emotional statements are often heard here too and public charge is concentrated on the fact that who talks a lot, he will fight to the end, will sacrifice and so on. Though, he can not imagine how to do it. 

Will this 8 parties stay united in case the authority does not keep your terms?  
– No precondition exists on this stage about the fact that they will be united regardless what follows this process. We have not given any promises each other and we have agreed on one issue that the election surrounding should have been changed. Different from the fact of our agreement on Saakashvili’s change, and sometimes we did not agree finally on it how and by what way, in this case, agreement was made on specific suggestions too. 

Are there any negotiations about reunion of any force with “Forum”? Even a new “Georgian Party”? 
- We do not intend to join any party. It is true that I know the leaders of the new party but personal relationship is one point which will remain itself, but my experience says that our opinions, style of work differ from each other so much that we will find it hard to work together. 

Is it the reason that the new party has already made a statement about external politics?
- I have already talked about the reasons. The part of people who must be heads of these party is known for me. I have been with them in many political situation and had many political fights with them. Hence, I say that the difference is so much that we will find it rather hard to work together, but nothing stands before the relationship. 

As for Russia, NATO and so on. settling links with Russia, the phrase itself turned into some calming cliché for Georgian society and it created political blazes too. Analogically, it will be followed by the fact that NATO will bring us nothing. Our regression and end will come in the end.  

The relationship with Russia will be clear when you have your problems settled and are ready for serious talks. Leaving of opposition persons for Russia has no any meaning or sense. We must settle our inner problems and determine what kind of state we want to build. 

As for NATO… it was a bluff from the beginning that Georgia would be in NATO in the nearest period. The issue was set up incorrectly in the beginning about entering NATO and regaining territorial integrity. It is hard to imagine that you are going to enter NATO when Russian army stays on your territories.  
- But it is clearly shown what benefits are brought by the relationship with the West and NATO, and the process itself, and also the next threats are expected, rejection of it means the same as assent on Singapore, but if we are offered modern Singapore today which has no protector, then it is a Russian Singapore, so called Caucasian Singapore whose protector must be Russia. 

For this reason, whichever party’s attitude it would be we must be cautious about external politics and must remove our tags. As they say that it is necessary to be in relations with Russia, it does not mean for me that they still defend the interests of Russia or they are with them. But what does the settlement of relationship mean? It must be said openly and actually.